I feel very sorry for your stalker's siblings. Poor things :(.
Azula apologists who think that Ursa was somehow evil for thinking there was something wrong with her child, or that she must have been favoring Zuko as much as Ozai favored Azula This. All of this. I mean, "Zuko Alone" shows Azula laughing and taunting Zuko about the fact that Azulon has ordered Ozai to kill him. Let's repeat the facts again. She is laughing about the fact that her FATHER is going to murder her BROTHER. She is NOT sorry or upset about this AT ALL. That and Ursa's previous, "What is WRONG with that child?" shows that there was something deeply wrong with Azula even then. Azula's behaviour must have deeply worried her mother. The thing is, she had no idea how to deal with it and had no one to turn to. Talking with her husband about it probably got a ,"What are you talking about? There's nothing wrong with our daughter." Attempts to discipline her didn't work (and punishments were quickly overturned by Ozai, which is why Azula believed that her mother hated her). I do believe that she loved her daughter still, despite her many problems and had Azulon ordered Ozai to murder Azula instead of Zuko, she would've still killed him.
I do like the idea that she was a powerful firebender who used dual swords. Note that Azula is the only Fire Royal who uses blue flames, which everybody knows is MUCH hotter than regular flame. Where did she get this ability from, if not from her mother? Yes, we never see Ursa firebending in AtLA. But then again, we are only seeing her from ZUKO's point of view. I like the idea that she's a dual sword user because Zuko uses dao blades and that means that she could've been the one to teach him. As some one commented on LJ, learning to use a sword requires a teacher and that dual-wielding is hard and dangerous. Which means that Zuko can't have been self-taught and frankly, I can't see Ozai getting him a teacher in that. So why can't Ursa be Zuko's teacher in dual swords? Seriously, this is why I don't like fics portraying Ursa as a battered wife. I keep thinking, "People, this is the woman who gave birth to Zuko of 'never give up without a fight' and AZULA. The same woman who murdered her FATHER IN-LAW to save her son. If Ozai tried to hit her, she'd probably hit back!"
Iroh was so sunk into grief when he came home, that he didn't really snap out of it until the Agni Kai Yes. This makes sense. As s3 finale showed us, Zuko could still fight Azula for the throne despite the fact that Ozai named her his heir. That implies that Iroh could've done the same thing when he came back from Ba Sing Se, but just didn't do it. Him being in depression makes sense. That and he probably didn't want to kill his little brother. Then the Agni Kai occurs and he is HORRIFIED that Ozai could do something like that to his own son. He probably felt guilty about it as well as HE was the one who let Zuko in that war meeting. Zuko's reaction to Iroh deciding to come along on his exile was probably on the lines of, "??? Why is Uncle suddenly coming along? He didn't seem to care about much before this."
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Re: Ursa 2/2
Date: 2012-08-16 03:53 am (UTC)Azula apologists who think that Ursa was somehow evil for thinking there was something wrong with her child, or that she must have been favoring Zuko as much as Ozai favored Azula
This. All of this. I mean, "Zuko Alone" shows Azula laughing and taunting Zuko about the fact that Azulon has ordered Ozai to kill him. Let's repeat the facts again. She is laughing about the fact that her FATHER is going to murder her BROTHER. She is NOT sorry or upset about this AT ALL. That and Ursa's previous, "What is WRONG with that child?" shows that there was something deeply wrong with Azula even then. Azula's behaviour must have deeply worried her mother. The thing is, she had no idea how to deal with it and had no one to turn to. Talking with her husband about it probably got a ,"What are you talking about? There's nothing wrong with our daughter." Attempts to discipline her didn't work (and punishments were quickly overturned by Ozai, which is why Azula believed that her mother hated her).
I do believe that she loved her daughter still, despite her many problems and had Azulon ordered Ozai to murder Azula instead of Zuko, she would've still killed him.
I do like the idea that she was a powerful firebender who used dual swords. Note that Azula is the only Fire Royal who uses blue flames, which everybody knows is MUCH hotter than regular flame. Where did she get this ability from, if not from her mother? Yes, we never see Ursa firebending in AtLA. But then again, we are only seeing her from ZUKO's point of view. I like the idea that she's a dual sword user because Zuko uses dao blades and that means that she could've been the one to teach him. As some one commented on LJ, learning to use a sword requires a teacher and that dual-wielding is hard and dangerous. Which means that Zuko can't have been self-taught and frankly, I can't see Ozai getting him a teacher in that. So why can't Ursa be Zuko's teacher in dual swords? Seriously, this is why I don't like fics portraying Ursa as a battered wife. I keep thinking, "People, this is the woman who gave birth to Zuko of 'never give up without a fight' and AZULA. The same woman who murdered her FATHER IN-LAW to save her son. If Ozai tried to hit her, she'd probably hit back!"
Iroh was so sunk into grief when he came home, that he didn't really snap out of it until the Agni Kai
Yes. This makes sense. As s3 finale showed us, Zuko could still fight Azula for the throne despite the fact that Ozai named her his heir. That implies that Iroh could've done the same thing when he came back from Ba Sing Se, but just didn't do it. Him being in depression makes sense. That and he probably didn't want to kill his little brother. Then the Agni Kai occurs and he is HORRIFIED that Ozai could do something like that to his own son. He probably felt guilty about it as well as HE was the one who let Zuko in that war meeting. Zuko's reaction to Iroh deciding to come along on his exile was probably on the lines of, "??? Why is Uncle suddenly coming along? He didn't seem to care about much before this."