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The thing I hate about my favorite authors is that it always feels like it takes them forever to get a book out.  I swear to God, it’s not just my imagination that Magan Whalen Turner takes longer than most.  She’s also just about my favorite.  Fate, I think.

With Hamiathes’ Gift destroyed, the king of Sounis has settled for marriage to a cousin of the queen of Eddis instead of the queen herself.  Suddenly, the king’s nephew, Sophos, finds himself in the precarious position of waiting for the birth of the child who would make him no longer the heir to the throne.  But as the king’s barons ferment rebellion, Sophos is still a valuable political pawn, and soon with the help of a false friend, the barons kill the unsuspecting Sophos’ family and kidnap him to make him a puppet king.  Now he must win his way free to seak the aid his friend, Eugenides, now king of Attolia, and to the queen of Eddis, his beloved Helen.  And if he can do all that, he must then win back his throne and learn how to be a king.

I believe I may have mentioned in my previous reviews of the other books in the Queen’s Thief series, that these are the books that I hope have made the biggest impact on my writing. This is probably a futile hope, but still.

It’s not just that Turner’s writing and characterization are superb; it’s that her novels focus on everything I want to focus on in mine.  They’re so rife with political intrigue that there’s almost no room for anything else.  The four main characters of A Conspiracy of Kings are all monarchs, and Turner explores exactly what that means.  In The Thief, Gen and Sophos aren’t the rulers of anything yet.  Gen isn’t even the heir to anything, and Sophos is only the heir to the throne because no one else is available.  He never expects to actually rule anything.  They’re out in the middle of nowhere, and Sophos has no idea Gen’s anything other than a street thief until the very end.  When Gen delivers Hamiathes’ Gift and the heir to Sounis in what happens to be a pretty massive political coup, Sophos builds up a picture  of the brilliant, smart-mouthed Gen as a sort of older brother/mentor figure.  So it’s up to Gen to realize that they’re more than people.  They represent their respective countries, and they can never talk to each other just as friends again, that every word they say to each other, or to anyone else, must be examined in that light.  But they’re still both human beings and old friends, and Sophos feels betrayed.  Turner meshes the personal and the political together so deftly it’s impossible to know where one ends and another begins.  And she makes it plain that it’s that intertwined in the character’s reality as well.  Gen grieves for the loss of his autonomy as he disappears behind his kingly mask.

Periodically, Turner teases loyal readers with glimpses of the old Gen, hanging out with Sophos in secret, sneaking around his own palace at night, bantering with Irene.  These glimpses just make it all the more bitter for the reader as he becomes something he only showed flashes of before, bound by necessity and expedience rather than by choice.  Instead of being able to draw Irene out of her shell now that he’s her co-ruler, he’s building the same sort of shell she had been forced to.  The first three books in the Queen’s Thief series were about Gen triumphing.  A Conspiracy of Kings, on the other hand, is about him subtly losing.

And it’s a worse loss than even that.  The old Gen reveals himself most tellingly when he guides Sophos towards accepting his true responsibilities as a monarch and just what those responsibilities are.  It would serve his purposes beautifully if instead he were able to keep Sophos as a complete dependent, but he can’t make himself do that.  Thus he helps Sophos build his own royal shell, and so, Sophos, a kind, easily embarrassed, somewhat hapless young man, becomes much more like his mentor than he really wanted to.

Each of the books in the Queen’s Thief series has a different point of view, which Turner uses to great effect.  In A Conspiracy of Kings, however, Turner doesn’t just stick to one point of view.  She switches back and fourth between third person, when Sophos is at the Attolian court, and first person from Sophos’ perspective, telling the story to Helen, when he isn’t.  Ordinarily, these sorts of point of view games would annoy me, but Turner makes them work, using the advantages inherent in both.  When Sophos is telling the story, at first Turner uses him to provide context, comment on his hero worship of Gen, and to show by example Sophos’ slight pompousness and general uselessness.  When she switches to third person, she uses it to reveal emotions Sophos would be too embarrassed to express to Helen, and also to indicate that Sophos is no longer entirely the star of the show.  When she switches again to first person, she uses it to show how much Sophos has changed in his time at the Attolian court.

As I said before, Gen’s transformation, even while he’s winning in the political realm, gives A Conspiracy of Kings a decidedly tragic flavor.  I’m left desperate to see what happens in the next book, whether the old Gen will emerge again, or will he continue on his current trajectory?  Unfortunately, because this is Turner we’re talking about here, I’ll have to wait a few years to find out.

Also, will there be Mede butt kicking?  There has to be Mede butt kicking.

What impresses me most about Turner as a writer is that every time I go back to pick apart what makes her books work so well, I end up getting sucked back into the story, and reading them just to read them.

Date: 2010-06-10 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hpstrangelove.livejournal.com
You've got such a wonderful analysis here - I agree with everything you've said.

It's funny how you mention at the end getting sucked back into read the books all over again. I read the first two books from the library, before the King came out, and I loved them so much I had to go out and buy my own copies, something I normally wouldn't do for books that I'd already read.

There's just something special about this series that makes reading them a second and third time almost as pleasurable as the first.

Date: 2010-06-10 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attackfish.livejournal.com
Thanks! I hope I'm getting better at this book review thing. Yeah, right, I know. I'm big on rereading, and I found myself saving up to buy a bunch of books the library here didn't have when I moved. But usually, I don't get sucked in as thoroughly as the first time, and usually, I can keep some distance to pick apart a book. God I love Turner, but it's a bit frustrating.

Date: 2010-06-11 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] finding-further.livejournal.com
Wow. Great review. I love this insight into Gen's path:

The first three books in the Queen’s Thief series were about Gen triumphing. A Conspiracy of Kings, on the other hand, is about him subtly losing.

I, too, felt that some subtle seeds were sown in this book hinting that Gen had grown terribly vulnerable as his Kingly power increased. Regarding the overall tone, I like the way you phrased it best, "a decidedly tragic flavor." Not only do we have the hints that his health is failing, but his kingly mask, as you so-aptly put it, is causing him emotional pain as well.

Would you mind if I linked to your review over at [livejournal.com profile] sounis? I'm sure there are dozens of people over there who would love to read this and weigh in with their opinions.

Date: 2010-06-11 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attackfish.livejournal.com
Mean Mrs. Turner made me have to explain to my mom and dad why I was crying over a book that ended with the good guys nominally winning.

Not at all! I belong to [livejournal.com profile] sounis myself and poke my head down there regularly. I'd be terribly flattered!

Date: 2010-06-11 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] finding-further.livejournal.com
...why I was crying over a book that ended with the good guys nominally winning.

Heh. I know what you mean. I was left with a pervasive feeling of disappointment, not in the quality of the writing or Ms. Turner's vision, but in the fact that I felt the characters themselves were so disappointed that they had found no other way for Sophos to succeed as King of Sounis without resorting to bloodshed. It really does make me wonder where our beloved characters are headed in the books to come...

Oh, how I hope we see some Mede butt kicking. :D

Date: 2010-06-11 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attackfish.livejournal.com
This note of failure makes me desperate to know whether Gen, Sophos and the rest can get back to themselves, or whether the series is meant to end on this odd sort of personal tragedy. Desperate I tell you.

Yes, that is a necessary aspect of the final books in the series. Can't go without that.

Date: 2010-06-11 10:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rj-anderson.livejournal.com
My hope is that she has to bring them all to this low point in order to bring them out of it again. I can't see how it can be anything but a low point, really, given how firmly MWT emphasized Gen's distaste for killing in Thief and his desperate need to show mercy and kindness even as late as the last third of KoA (the compassion he shows to Relius, and draws out of Irene in the process, is heartrending).

I'm reading the books right now to my 10-year-old son, who is showing an amazing patience for the long stretches of psychological and political drama (more than I ever expected, really -- I wasn't sure he'd even get through Thief, and we're nearly finished King). I think he'll like a lot about CoK because he likes and is interested in Sophos, but I almost feel like I'll need to apologize to him about how almost-depressing it is!

Date: 2010-06-11 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosaleeluann.livejournal.com
You're reminding me about one of the things I love about QoA--it has some very low lows (amputation, anyone?) but that just makes the highs higher.

You're also making me think of why middle books in series are often less enjoyable. In the beginning books, the chracters get into trouble. In the middle books, they're *in* trouble. In the ending books, they get out of trouble.

Date: 2010-06-12 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elle-winters.livejournal.com
good point rosalee!
I definately agree-I can't wait to see Gen steal elephants :)

Date: 2010-06-12 02:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attackfish.livejournal.com
Me too! Remember him in Thief when he was complaining that things don't make noise? *grin*

Date: 2010-06-12 03:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attackfish.livejournal.com
Very true about the middle books in a series. The strange thing about the Queen's Thief books, is that before, each book ended on a high note, and the problems raised in the book, except for the looming threat of the Mede, were dealt with by the end of each book. This one, not so much.

Love your icon, by the way!

Date: 2010-06-12 02:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attackfish.livejournal.com
I hope so to. In Thief, by the time we realized he was in real trouble, he had gotten himself out of it, and in Queen and king, he was in trouble right at the start, and we got to see him pull himself out. Part of the sadness I felt here might have been from the way Turner subverted that expectation. But as the other books not only ended on a high note, but could have also easily have been the last in the series, (even with the Mede hanging around) none of them really had that middle book middle of the problem feel. Conspiracy ended with everyone still in trouble, just a different sort than the trouble at the beginning.

I first read the first two when I was twelve, and they cemented my deep love for fictional (and it turns out, real life) political maneuvering, so I suppose I should stop being impressed. I'm convinced however, that the publishers did these books a huge disservice making them MG instead of YA, and this mis-classification may have a lot to do with why they've never been all that well known outside their rabid fanbase.

Date: 2010-06-12 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attackfish.livejournal.com
Impressed with your son, I mean to say.

Date: 2010-06-12 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freenarnian.livejournal.com
It's true that some of Gen's power in previous books came from being outside the official political loop. He was able to come at problems from a unique angle, being the Thief of Eddis, subject to his own rules, but also related to the Queen and with the benefits of being royalty.

Well, enter Irene, and he gets himself tied up nicely. ;) But I think Gen is triumphing (was Irene not a triumph?) and will triumph still, as unexpectedly as ever. I have to remind myself that a large portion of CoK overlaps KoA, during the time when Gen was still (apparently) floundering around in his new Kingly shoes. But he got his court behind him by the end of KoA, and by the end of CoK he's got a pretty tight threesome going with Sounis, Eddis and Attolia. No mean feat, that. And expediently timed. (Still triumphing, see?) Next order of business: Mede butt-kicking.

Date: 2010-06-12 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freenarnian.livejournal.com
Oh, and let's not forget the Costis business. I'm tellin' you those boys are UP TO SOMETHING. =D

THOSE BOYS ARE UP TO SOMETHING

Date: 2010-06-12 01:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elle-winters.livejournal.com
... XD

Oh, they are. I can't wait to find out what it is. Didn't Megan say there was a part two to King of Attolia that she was writing?

Date: 2010-06-12 02:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attackfish.livejournal.com
As I said in the review, he's triumphing politically. It's psychologically that he's floundering. When he wasn't a ruler, he could be his own person to an extent, and also, he could serve his favorite cousin and have it also be what's morally and politically correct. Now he's king, and he's Helen's equal. He's stripped of that emotional security. He's every bit as brilliant as ever, and every bit as capable of showing that brilliance in a political arena. I just don't think he's as happy disillusionment's starting to set in.

Date: 2010-06-12 03:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attackfish.livejournal.com
Actually, given that by the time Sophos makes it to the Attolian court, Gen has already pulled his beautiful stunt with Dite, Sejanus, Relius, and the rest, (as we can tell by Sophos' conversations with the attendents and with Gen) the part that overlaps is the part before Sophos makes it to Attolia.

Date: 2010-06-12 01:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elle-winters.livejournal.com
I love your review and how you put things into words that I cannot explain

Instead of being able to draw Irene out of her shell now that he’s her co-ruler, he’s building the same sort of shell she had been forced to.

How true! I didn't even realize this the first time around. I suppose it's harder to be Irene Attolia than one thinks. I'm glad Sophos pushed him to the ground. He desperately needed that.


The first three books in the Queen’s Thief series were about Gen triumphing. A Conspiracy of Kings, on the other hand, is about him subtly losing.

Ahh..the subtlety


Thanks for the awesome review attackfish!

Date: 2010-06-12 03:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attackfish.livejournal.com
I forgot to mention this in the review proper! Sophos' presence and perspective in the third person narration portions was also useful to show us, through Sophos' feelings of betrayal, just how much Gen had forced himself to change since becoming Attolis. It just about breaks my heart. At least Irene has some company now? that's good, right?

Date: 2010-06-13 05:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hazelwillow.livejournal.com
Interesting! Yes, I agree Sophos's point of view shows us how Gen's changed. However, keep in mind that Gen is a master of playing a part, and that even though he may not enjoy the part of king, and even though playing it must certainly be taking an emotional and psychological toll on him of some sort, underneath he's still Gen. The exterior that Sophos sees are not necessarily the interior changes. After all, Gen was playing a part when Sophos first met him, too --and even though the Sounisian gutter rat is probably closer to some of Gen's inner characteristics (and therefore easier to play) than the King of Attolia, and it was also far more temporary, his creating an outer mask for himself is not a new occurrence. I suspect his facility for creating, and understanding, "masks" is what made him see through Irene's when no one else could.

If I remember right, Sophos's feelings of betrayal are in reaction to Gen sticking to what he believes is necessary for his kingly role, not to how Gen acts when he's taken the mask off (which happens after Sophos pushes him, and when they sneak out in the middle of the night).

I agree Gen's changed (we definitely get the feeling the role is weighing on him, hence the tragic tone which I, too, picked up on in the last scene. His sitting in the full glare of the sun (symbolizing being in the gaze of the Gods/public (as in Sophos's discussions with Moira) and being sick and vulnerable at the same time gave me a sense of some unnamed toll)... But while I agree Gen's changed, I wouldn't take his actions as King completely to heart as reflecting how Gen's changed, any more than I would take his apparent dislike of baths (apparent to his companions, anyway) in The Thief to reflect Eugenides. In a way, his mask as king is another way of being deceitful, which is actually very like him.

Maybe that's why he goes too far with Sophos, making himself play the part too much, and finding it hard to get around the mask (until Sophos saves the day by pushing him over, that is). He's gotten so used to lying he finds it hard to show himself truthfully? Again, this isn't exactly a new occurrence.

Maybe it's the first time the role he's decided to play has caused him to put a friendship in danger, and has therefore had a personal cost. Although, as Sophos teaches Gen, it is possible to circumnavigate that cost. I think Gen feels safer playing his role, even though he's frustrated when he fails to connect with his old friend. He hides behind the mask instead of making himself vulnerable by showing his true feelings. Yes, this is like Irene, but it's very like him, too. In QoA he does just this for most of the book (hiding his feelings for Irene), in KoA too (hiding his true opinion of Costis for Costis's own protection).

So yes, he's joined Irene behind a mask --but I really don't think that's all that new for his character. Sophos is the one who was always emotionally honest, and in this book I like how it's Gen who has to learn that from Sophos.

Date: 2010-06-13 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attackfish.livejournal.com
I'm not saying it's not an act. Of course it's an act. The point is, Gen doesn't feel he has any choice but to keep up the act, and it's an act that has very real consequences, like people getting killed. People Gen doesn't like, but he does have that distaste for killing, and Sophos being hurt. More importantly, Gen doesn't feel he has any choice but to teach Sophos how to build that mask. The act hurts Gen in a way he isn't used to, and Conspiracy leads me to believe he doesn't see a way out of it yet. That's why it's tragic.

Date: 2010-06-12 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] checkers65477.livejournal.com
Nice review! Good insight about the POV changes. We see Sophos from both his own perspective--which is skewed--then from everyone else's, where we see the good qualities that he can't seem to see in himself.

And poor Gen. He's bound to pretty scarred, permanently, by all that he's had to do in his new role as king. Sophos, too.

Date: 2010-06-12 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attackfish.livejournal.com
Thanks! I love seeing someone from their own perspective. It's so much more extreme than reality. And I think all four of our dear monarchs need some soup.

Date: 2010-06-13 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] checkers65477.livejournal.com
And I think all four of our dear monarchs need some soup.

My Reaction:

*stares*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

I'm not kidding. I agree--soup for all of them! I would make them all some yummy soup if it would help with all their angst.

Date: 2010-06-13 03:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attackfish.livejournal.com
Especially for Gen- Soup with no sand in it.

Date: 2010-06-13 05:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hazelwillow.livejournal.com
Yes! served somewhere remote, with no fancy etiquette or required dancing after. I'm thinking somewhere like that remote temple Helen finds in that short story about her...

Date: 2010-06-13 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attackfish.livejournal.com
Exactly! I'm still debating whether he should be surrounded by a few close old friends, or whether he should get some precious alone time with his hot liquidy goodness.

Date: 2010-06-13 05:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hazelwillow.livejournal.com
Thanks for the thought-provoking review! I didn't get the same feeling of failure that you did, but I think that's because I just didn't pick up on some character psychology. It's Gen's failure to connect that you mean, right?
I definitely got that whiff of tragedy in the final scene, even though I loved that scene. I especially loved and was saddened by Gen moving his feet over on the cushion for Sophos. Isn't there some mythology (Indian, perhaps?) where royal and godly status is signified by having one's feet raised off the ground (hence why Shiva always stands on this poor, babyish dwarf-like creature? It always looks like she's standing on a baby). One monarch making room for another monarch...

Gotta go read it again! :P

Date: 2010-06-13 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attackfish.livejournal.com
Exactly. Politically, tangibly, he's winning, which is why it took me a bit to realize why it made me sad. I think Gen feels like he's losing something. We have from The Queen of Attolia that Gen (and Kamet) saw Irene as being hemmed in and he felt sympathy with her because of it. I think he's starting to think he's hemmed in as well.

Actually the dwarf's Apasmara, the allegorical representation of ignorance, and for some reason that as someone with a seizure disorder feel vaguely insulted by, epilepsy. In traditional representations of the Nataraja, Shiva as the lord of dance, he's crushing and killing Apasmara. Otherwise, there are all kinds of depictions of Hindu gods, Shiva and otherwise, with their feet on the ground. (Also, Shiva's a guy. Actually, since one of his representations is the Lingam, he's a particularly phallic male deity). I don't know of any mythologies with that as a concept, but I'm a mythology buff, not an expert. It's certainly an intriguing idea about Gen making room, very symbolic whether it's mythological based or not.

Date: 2010-06-13 07:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hazelwillow.livejournal.com
Well, as is patently obvious, I don't know what I'm talking about with respect to Hindu gods. That vague recollection DID stem back to grade 5, which...was a long time ago. I should probably have been more cautious with my own memory :P Thanks for the clarification!

In terms of the cushion metaphor, I can say with more authority that cushions WERE used in Byzantine paintings to symbolize emperor-ship or kingliness (hence why Mary is often shown on a purple cushion, making her Queen of Heaven, or Jesus/various local saints sitting on a cushion, making him Divine Emperor).
I should probably have stuck to that example. :P
Don't know where the not-touching the ground idea comes in, but it seems a kingly sort of thing, anyway...

:)

Date: 2010-06-13 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attackfish.livejournal.com
Especially since a lot of the inspiration for the QT verse comes from the Byzantine empire. Oddly, in the Arab world, having one's feet up so that the souls show is a terrible insult, on par with flipping someone the bird. Some part of me thinks the Byzantines, who were old enemies of that part of the Middle East, might have done the cushion thing on purpose.

Date: 2010-06-16 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] finding-further.livejournal.com
As I said before, Gen’s transformation, even while he’s winning in the political realm, gives A Conspiracy of Kings a decidedly tragic flavor. I’m left desperate to see what happens in the next book, whether the old Gen will emerge again, or will he continue on his current trajectory?

Hi. Just popping back in with another comment. As I said before, I agree with your assessment of Gen's change in A Conspiracy of Kings. But today I ran across an interview (http://hipwritermama.blogspot.com/2009/11/wbbt-megan-whalen-turner.html) that Ms. Turner gave in April where she describes Conspiracy as being about Sophos and "also about Gen, who hasn't changed much at all, at least not in important ways. He frets. He sulks. He has the occasional temper tantrum, but comes through in the pinch."

Hmmmmm... I don't get it.

Date: 2010-06-16 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oops. Looks like the interview was from Nov. 2009. Perhaps she made changes to her manuscript afterward?

Date: 2010-06-16 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] finding-further.livejournal.com
That was me, by the way. Forgot to log in.

Date: 2010-06-16 08:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attackfish.livejournal.com
Hey, no problem. Used to do that on the school computers all the time.

Awww, *pets the interview* I remember reading that, way back when, desperate for any hint as to the future activities of Gen et. al., and I remember thinking "oh yes, he does throw tantrums like a petulant child. He only gets away with his antics because he amuses. Also, be must be good in bed, or Irene would have done him in by now" which is both not entirely true, and horribly uncharitable, at least the part about Irene.

I'm starting to learn from experience just how much a manuscript can change in a year, even without an editor working as a semi-collaborator, which I hear happens for a lot of professional writers (the lucky ones). It's also true I could be seeing things in the text that either aren't there or weren't supposed to be there...
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