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attackfishOr, this really should have a wittier title, but I can’t think of one.
I have broken my foot five times, and both my elbows, and one of my wrists, and my nose twice. So I consider myself something of an expert on how broken bones feel. And I have a few things to say about the things that most writers get wrong.
Unless a break is really really bad, and something’s visibly crooked, or you have an x-ray machine, you usually can’t tell a bone is broken right away. Those little bone cracks feel just like a sprain or even a pulled muscle at first. My mom walked a mile home on a freshly broken ankle (which I don’t recommend, as this led to multiple surgeries). I paced around my neighbor’s living room for several hours on a freshly broken foot, and when I was four, I broke my heel and ran from the back of the yard into the house. And my heel was a particularly bad break that permanently deformed said heel, and is the reason for three of the other four times I broke my foot. I’m no wimp, and my mom is no wimp, but that’s not the reason we did what we did. New, relatively minor breaks just don’t hurt that much. Give it a few hours, or overnight, and suddenly your foot hurts when you breathe. This is because of swelling. Most of what hurts about a broken bone is the swelling, which takes time. The injury itself usually hurts at first because of the soft tissue damage you sustained at the same time you broke it, in other words, sprains and pulled muscles, which is why they feel the same. In fact, depending on the severity of the soft tissue damage sustained at the time of the break, a break may hurt less at first, than a sprain or pulled muscle.
The only way you can tell without an x-ray is time. The next morning, if it hurts worse, it’s not a pulled muscle. After a few days of ice and elevation, if it still doesn’t feel better, it’s probably a break or a severely stretched or torn muscle.
So, in short, pain, mobility, and ability to walk on it minutes afterwards is not a good way for a character to know if it is or isn’t broken.
As a side note, a pulled muscle can be much much worse than a break. If you pull it so badly that it tears, you may need surgery and intense physical therapy to repair, and you will almost certainly be much more likely to tear it the same way again in the future because it has been weakened. Writers, and non-medical people more generally, like to talk about breaks like they are the worst thing that can happen to an arm or a leg short of amputation, bullet holes, and stab wounds, but this isn’t so.
As for broken noses, they don’t hurt that much at first either, but mine at least bled way, way more than they usually do in fiction. The first time I broke my nose, I ran across my math class to the door, and by the time I got there, I had a full mouthful of blood, which had run down from my nose, down the back of my throat and into my mouth, to spit out. There’s still a stain on the sidewalk there, and I’m told teachers tell new students that stain is what becomes of students who forget their math homework. Actually, it’s what happens to students who face plant on concrete floors while wearing forty pound backpacks, but oh well. The point is, broken noses bleed a lot, and a lot of that blood comes out of your mouth instead of your nostrils. But it didn’t really hurt at first, and it never put me in agony. It kind of felt hot and numb until the next day when it just felt very bruised. The second broken nose went much the same way, except I managed to get to a sink before I started spitting out blood, so there’s no cool stain with an absolutely untrue story attached.
So severity of injury has little to do with immediate pain, and broken noses make you bleed profusely from your mouth. Any questions?
I have broken my foot five times, and both my elbows, and one of my wrists, and my nose twice. So I consider myself something of an expert on how broken bones feel. And I have a few things to say about the things that most writers get wrong.
Unless a break is really really bad, and something’s visibly crooked, or you have an x-ray machine, you usually can’t tell a bone is broken right away. Those little bone cracks feel just like a sprain or even a pulled muscle at first. My mom walked a mile home on a freshly broken ankle (which I don’t recommend, as this led to multiple surgeries). I paced around my neighbor’s living room for several hours on a freshly broken foot, and when I was four, I broke my heel and ran from the back of the yard into the house. And my heel was a particularly bad break that permanently deformed said heel, and is the reason for three of the other four times I broke my foot. I’m no wimp, and my mom is no wimp, but that’s not the reason we did what we did. New, relatively minor breaks just don’t hurt that much. Give it a few hours, or overnight, and suddenly your foot hurts when you breathe. This is because of swelling. Most of what hurts about a broken bone is the swelling, which takes time. The injury itself usually hurts at first because of the soft tissue damage you sustained at the same time you broke it, in other words, sprains and pulled muscles, which is why they feel the same. In fact, depending on the severity of the soft tissue damage sustained at the time of the break, a break may hurt less at first, than a sprain or pulled muscle.
The only way you can tell without an x-ray is time. The next morning, if it hurts worse, it’s not a pulled muscle. After a few days of ice and elevation, if it still doesn’t feel better, it’s probably a break or a severely stretched or torn muscle.
So, in short, pain, mobility, and ability to walk on it minutes afterwards is not a good way for a character to know if it is or isn’t broken.
As a side note, a pulled muscle can be much much worse than a break. If you pull it so badly that it tears, you may need surgery and intense physical therapy to repair, and you will almost certainly be much more likely to tear it the same way again in the future because it has been weakened. Writers, and non-medical people more generally, like to talk about breaks like they are the worst thing that can happen to an arm or a leg short of amputation, bullet holes, and stab wounds, but this isn’t so.
As for broken noses, they don’t hurt that much at first either, but mine at least bled way, way more than they usually do in fiction. The first time I broke my nose, I ran across my math class to the door, and by the time I got there, I had a full mouthful of blood, which had run down from my nose, down the back of my throat and into my mouth, to spit out. There’s still a stain on the sidewalk there, and I’m told teachers tell new students that stain is what becomes of students who forget their math homework. Actually, it’s what happens to students who face plant on concrete floors while wearing forty pound backpacks, but oh well. The point is, broken noses bleed a lot, and a lot of that blood comes out of your mouth instead of your nostrils. But it didn’t really hurt at first, and it never put me in agony. It kind of felt hot and numb until the next day when it just felt very bruised. The second broken nose went much the same way, except I managed to get to a sink before I started spitting out blood, so there’s no cool stain with an absolutely untrue story attached.
So severity of injury has little to do with immediate pain, and broken noses make you bleed profusely from your mouth. Any questions?
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Date: 2013-04-26 05:15 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2013-04-27 03:55 am (UTC)LOL. That'll learn 'em!
Thanks for the info. The only broken bone I clearly remember from fiction was in a Babysitters' Club book where Claudia broke a leg, and it had the cliches you mentioned--shooting pain, inability to walk on it, etc. Of course it could have been a pretty bad break, but I suspect broken bones are portrayed this way for reasons that have more to do with drama than reality.
Incidentally I wrote a broken nose into a fic I finished not too long ago, and it occurs to me it probably wouldn't have swollen "to the size of his fist" within the same day. Research fail on my part, though I'm probably not alone in dramatizing injuries at the expense of plausibility.
My real-life broken bone story was breaking my jaw falling from my bike at seven years old. I didn't even know for it was broken until the X-ray. I had to have my jaws wired shut so it would heal, making for a hungry period in my life during which I could only eat gruel and porridge. I don't remember being too distressed though, maybe because I was one of those little kids who drive their parents up a wall by refusing to eat. My mom was probably falling to pieces making sure I was comfortable and fed. Ah, the memories.
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Date: 2013-04-27 12:31 pm (UTC)It's good to know I made a mark on my school...
And also, that's how audiences think broken bones act like as much as writers do. *shrug*. What set this off was actually a fic in which a character sprained his ankle and knew it wasn't broken right afterwards because he put his weight on it. One of these days, I'm writing a fic in which a character does that, and the next day, they realize they were wrong.
I actually have a character in immediate debilitating pain following a break, but it's a bad impact break to the long bones of both legs, and that would act like that.
I was like that too. I used to just refuse to eat, and my parents would try to out stubborn me, and fail, because yes, I really would stare at the table and ignore them for eight hours rather than drink my juice. Strangely, I was also not picky. They never knew which food I was going to decide to do that with.
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Date: 2013-04-28 05:25 am (UTC)I wonder what happened with undetected broken bones before X-rays were invented. I'm guessing it wouldn't have been pretty.
Never try to out-stubborn a kid, I say. Of course, it's hard when the issue is nutrition of all things. Not that little buggers like you and me didn't deserve to starve, but for whatever reason our parents saw things differently.
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Date: 2013-04-28 12:16 pm (UTC)Seeing as most of the foods I tried to out-stubborn them on were foods that I later turned out to be horrifically allergic to (because of just how screwed up my immune system was, I had delayed responses back then, and often the delay was a day or more, so they had no way of knowing) it may have been my body's way of protecting me. It did stop rather abruptly when I got treatment.
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Date: 2013-04-27 03:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-27 05:08 pm (UTC)I dropped a ten pound barbel on my foot when I was four, a month before I broke it. The doctor said that my soft little kid bones spread and bent without breaking, and if I had been any older, I would have shattered them.
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Date: 2013-05-01 05:39 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-05-01 12:06 pm (UTC)That's the thing, our common narrative on how broken bones are supposed to feel leads to us doing all the wrong things when we get them. *Sigh*. Good to know this was useful to someone.
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Date: 2013-05-01 02:25 pm (UTC)It was very useful:)
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Date: 2013-05-01 04:23 pm (UTC)Broken Jones and Other Injuries
Date: 2013-05-17 03:40 pm (UTC)But on broken bones, I guess it's different for every person. I've only broken bones once and that was my arm when I was in kindergarten. I fell off a bar chair onto my left arm and it hurt like *hell*. I was crying like crazy. Then again I was in kindergarten so I was pretty young then. Wrapped knees car hurt like a mother at that age.
But I've done plenty of other stuff: dislocated fingers playing basketball, bruised ribs flying backwards off a swing, strained my neck, sprained my ankle twice in the span of three weeks, gotten tendinitis in the arch of my foot, and gotten shin splints. So I have a lot of experience in those areas. First time au sprained my ankle hurt like hell and I couldn't walk for almost a week. About three weeks later sprained the same ankle *again* and it hurt even more when I got it, but I was able to walk on it again within a couple of hours without really feeling much of anything. Bruised ribs suck and moving is hard but totally possible. Shin splints make you feel like someone is repeatedly stabbing your shins with white hit knives. I didn't even feel my fingers were dislocated until my dad and I were halfway home from the court and I was all like "I can't really feel my fingers. Kinda hurts to move them." Then my dad just took them and put them back into place. Which hurt but not overly so.
I once feel out of a tree, about 25 feet off the ground, hit every branch on the way down, got my nose smashed on a thick branch and it barely hurt. I've sliced my finger open with a knife and it didn't even start hurting until 20 minutes later after I had already wrapped it and then not even that much. There's a pain delay when slicing body parts open.
It's surprising how many things people get wrong when writing injuries not just broken bones. It's different for different people but still. A lot of fanfiction authors tend to write their characters as either extreme weaklings, or superhuman, unfeeling macho men (or women). Or maybe it's not so surprising since a lot of people fail to actually take the time to research injuries and how they really feel and all that.
Re: Broken Jones and Other Injuries
Date: 2013-05-17 04:24 pm (UTC)Re: Broken Jones and Other Injuries
Date: 2013-05-17 08:10 pm (UTC)Re: Broken Jones and Other Injuries
Date: 2013-05-17 08:24 pm (UTC)